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A client recently asked for my opinion about LocalAdLink, a search directory that I had never heard of. My Blog post last month Search Marketing Scams to Avoid recommended against "Advertising on search engines you have never heard of."

LocalAdLink describes itself as "The easiest and most affordable way to advertise online." LocalAdLink claims "It comes to $49, $99 or $199 a month to be seen by millions of people a day." Those are strong claims. Are they true?

First I searched my 2,000 emails from the last 16 months from search engine newsletters and groups. Not one mention of LocalAdLink

I searched SEOmoz. There was only one mention, a comment skeptical about the service found on "The Growing Case for Flat Fee Advertising."

Search Engine Land had no mention.

Therefore, it seems to me that search marketing professionals have never heard of LocalAdLink. Or, if they have heard of it, they don't believe it warrants discussion. And with promises as lofty as "millions of visitors a day" you'd think Search Marketing professionals would have a lot to say.

Where does LocalAdLink attract million of people a day? LocalAdLink claims, "We are pro-actively pushing your listing out through our partner websites. Your listing can be seen on some at the most popular websites, search engines, and social networks in America. Some of these include Google, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, Ask.com, Earthlink, YouTube, GMAIL, About.com, Napster, PGA.com, Redbook, Hollywood.com, Monster.com, MySpace, Linkedln, Friendster, Bebo, Hi5, Orkut, MiGente and B00Mj."

My! That is impressive! I had to see what they were doing.

I tried to find LocalAdLink on Google, Yahoo, YouTube or LinkedIn. I could not find the ads.

I checked with SpyFu for clues. SpyFu claims LocalAdLink advertises with Google AdWords. The LocalAdLink ads on Google go to LocalAdLink, not the LocalAdLink advertiser's Web site.

Is LocalAdLink counting its Google ads and where Google Content Network ads display as "our partner websites?" That seems like a stretch to me. However there are search engine marketing firms who make that questionable stretch as well.

Is LocalAdLink capable of delivering "millions of people a day" to its advertisers? The evidence does not support its claim.

Compete estimates LocalAdLink had 332,256 visits in March 2009. Though Compete's numbers are ballpark estimates, 10,000 visitors a day is less traffic by a factor of 100 times. This is traffic across the nation. That means, with LocalAdLink claiming 14 million businesses, each business averages .0237 visitors a month.

Quantcast estimates monthly traffic of 123,000. Alexa ranks LocalAdLink at 19,601, a nice number but indicates traffic is nowhere near "millions of people a day"

In other words, my analysis of LocalAdRank makes me conclude that $49, $99 or $199 a month is a lot of money to spend for little to no traffic to your Web site.

As I wrote last month, "If a salesman wants you to advertise on a search engine that you have never heard of before, don't do it."

See more recent Blog posts:

LocalAdLink is for the Greedy to Take from the Gullible

LocalAdLink reps optimize for "LocalAdLink scam"

LocalAdLink Scam is Collapsing

LocalAdLink traffic dropped 1/3rd in June

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50 Comments:
Anonymous mikejaz2 said...
Hey, LocalAdLink called me, telling me that I could put my business name and ad on the web, after which "I would be receiving hundreds of phone calls per week".

After an initial 30 day free period, the base rate was $49 per month.

I signed up for the ad, got no calls in 30 days, and cancelled. At least the cancellation process was painless...of course, I haven't checked my phone bill to see if I'm still being billed!

Anonymous Anonymous said...
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I run a Large Advertising agency ( www.globalmediacapitalfund.com ) and as a expert in SEM and SEO I use LocalAdLink for all my clients.

LocalAdLink is only 8 moinths old yet offers unique opportunities for small business to get great exposure from the internet in ther local area.

I teach daily classes to all LocalAdlink reps and the issues I see with most is that they do not understand how LocalAdLink works.

When selling LocalAdLink you do need to learn some basic stuff that anyone can do but if you do not and try to make an ad which is really a webpage you might not get the results you where looking for.

Localadlink service is excellent if you learn simple methods and how to make ad content that will drive customers to you.

In my classes I show ads that do not work and ads that do. I show why they do not work and how to fix them so they do.

Here is a testimonial from a person who has been at my classes.

Without Paul Croskrey?s education, I would have quit Beyond Commerce and LocalAdLink a long ago.
His classes have empowered me with the skills sets and confidence to sell and build a LocalAdLink business. I am now confidently placing ads that are
getting some eye popping results. My up-line, down-line and people from other groups call me for help, advice, encouragement and direction ? and
I point them all to Paul?s system. I knew that without the right skill sets; I would never enjoy significant long term success and financial security that I could feel good about. Now that I am staying plugged into Paul Croskrey?s system, I can confidently sell and build a LocalAdLink business treating other people the way I want to be treated
Dean B Brand Builder


Many of my clients are experiancing excellent results using Localadlink. I have one client whos ad or webpage has gotten over 11,000 visits in two months.

The first month had over 8,000 visits, I challenge anyone to make a webpage do that for only $99.00 per month in the first month and make 50% commissions doing it.

I can prove this to anyone who is interested in LocalAdLink.

Call me anytime

Paul Croskrey
Your AdLink Guru
209-586-4769

Blogger Larry said...
Paul,

Thank you for your comments.

Excuse me for being highly skeptical of your claims.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> I run a Large Advertising agency ( www.globalmediacapitalfund.com ) and as a expert in SEM and SEO I use LocalAdLink for all my clients.

I have two questions for your claims in that single sentence:

1) If Global Media Capital Fund is a "Large Advertising agency" then why does the page title say "Venture Capital Global Media Capital Fund?"

2) If you are an expert on SEM and SEO, then why does your "Large Advertising agency" Web site not show up on Google for searches of "Global Media Capital Fund?" Is it because Google indexes only one page from that site? Why do you think Google indexes only one page of your multi-page Web site? Any "expert in SEO" can answer that. I will give you a hint. It is not search engine friendly.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> I have one client whos ad or webpage has gotten over 11,000 visits in two months.
> The first month had over 8,000 visits
> I can prove this to anyone who is interested in LocalAdLink.

Paul, I'll be blunt. I do not believe any LocalAdLink customer received 11,000 visits in two months from LocalAdLink. So, yes, please prove it.

Also, why did traffic drop 62.5% in the second month? That is a huge drop in one month.

Show me where customer LocalAdLink ads appear. Show me LocalAdLink customer ads on Google, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, Ask.com, YouTube, About.com, Napster, PGA.com, Redbook, Hollywood.com, Monster.com, MySpace or Linkedln.

I do not believe LocalAdLink has the traffic to make the cost of LocalAdLink advertising worthwhile.

Larry

HI Larry, all you have to do is callme and I will show you my proof.

HI Larry, highly skeptical about what part?

I work for Global Media Capital Fund as Executive Vice President.

A Venture Capital Company.
In my position as Director of Internet Investments I work very closly with LocalAdLink Team leaders. I train every day hundreds of Localadlink reps, many come to me with the same excuses or problem with their ads and I teach them to FIX the problems with the ad.
Just Like I would do for a website.
Being an Expert who gets paid to teach professionals about Localadlink is easy as 1 2 3. It is simple to use and in the right hands is better than any other internet advertising platform I have used for the price.

I teach how to use LocalAdLink properly and how to trouble shoot ads or websites to show up where the consumers can find them.

I can prove what I have stated here.
All you have to do is call me and I will do so.

Just do not call me between 3:30 and 5:00 daily for I am doing training meetings at that time.

If anyone reading this post thinks for one moment that LocalAdLink does not work call me I will prove that is does. I will also help any LocalAdLink Rep get better results, grow a team and build a significant income selling online advertising for LocalAdLink.

Paul Croskrey
Executive Vice President
Global Media Capital Fund
209-586-4769
www.globalmediacapitalfund.com
www.your-ad-link-guru.com


goto my website and see more testimonials at http://www.your-ad-link-guru.com/localadlink-team.html

Blogger Larry said...
Paul,

My telephone is not Web-enabled. So a phone call will not show me proof of your claims. Besides I don't think an iPhone or a Blackberry will make any difference.

The proof needs to be shown on the Web.

Where are those millions of visitors?

Where are those ads on the "partner" Web sites? LocalAdLink sales literature says it partners with "Google, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, Ask.com, Earthlink, YouTube, GMAIL, About.com, Napster, PGA.com, Redbook, Hollywood.com, Monster.com, MySpace, Linkedln, Friendster, Bebo, Hi5, Orkut, MiGente and B00Mj."

I cannot find LocalAdLink customer ads except on Beyond Commerce owned sites like BoomJ. Beyond Commerce owns LocalAdLink.

Please use Post a Comment to direct us to the proof.

Show me. On the Web. That is where we will see the proof of the pudding.

Here is a list of refering pages one of my clients and thier ad is only two months old and yes they have gotten over 18884 impression and 11545 views in two months.

You ask to see it the ads show up on earch engines here is a list from that client

In order of top refering site

www.google.com
www.localadlink.com
www.ask.com
search.mywebsearch.com
search.aol.com
searchportal.information.com
googleads.g.doubleclick.net
search.comcast.net
yellowpages.aol.com
www.best-price.com
maps.google.com
search.hp.my.aol.com
aim.search.aol.com
www.fastbrowsersearch.com
search.alot.com
www.dogpile.com
search.incredimail.com
www.pronto.com
www.insiderpages.com
www.verizon.net
www.killerstartups.com
images.google.com
www.myembarq.com
babydepo.com
pagead2.googlesyndication.com
ww2.cox.com
search.myway.com
www.kosmix.com
www.cheapuncle.com
search.sweetim.com
broadband.zoomtown.com
search.earthlink.net
www.webcrawler.com
www.kaboodle.com
search7.info.com
search.pch.com
askville.amazon.com
portal.wowway.net
as.starware.com
bwp.findarticles.com
search.windstream.net
cap.ask.com
uk.ask.com
www.ndparking.com
fastbrowsersearch.com
search.domainnotfound.optimum.net
fairpointsearch.infospace.com
womens-fashion.lovetoknow.com
www.sedoparking.com
toolbar.inbox.com
swagbucks.com
www.crawler.com
news.google.com
www.houston.com
www.charter.net
www.amazon.com
cnn.search.aol.com
www.babydepto.com
www0.shopping.com
wwwbabydepot.com
www.merchantcircle.com
dpxml.verizon.net
aolsearcht10.search.aol.com
www.armstrongmywire.com
www.43things.com
www.metacrawler.com
www.inbox.com
searchservice.myspace.com
ndparking.com
viewmorepics.myspace.com
www4.shopping.com
www.thisnext.com
www.google.com. com
int.ask.com
www.mypoints.com
search.peoplepc.com
weatherbugbrowserbar.mysearch.com
www.alltheinternet.com
www2.shopping.com
search.imesh.com
search2.info.com
wsds.infospace.com
ws.infospace.com
www.kouls.com
www10.dealtime.com
travel.nytimes.com
www.vault.com
redirect.localpages.com
search.netscape.com
myembarq.com
www.shopwiki.com
www.target.com
aolsearcht4.search.aol.com
goliath.ecnext.com
www.mapquest.com
armstrongmywire.com
news.ask.com
aolsearcht12.search.aol.com
www.search.pro
www3.fertilethoughts.com
mctv.hometownohio.com
search3.info.com
www.soapoperadigest.com
moreinfoz.com
www.jobster.com
www.business.com
www.burlingotncoatfactory.com
aolsearcht9.search.aol.com
burlingtonscoat.com
aolsearcht2.search.aol.com
www.burlingtomcoatfactory.com
www.suite101.com
www0.dealtime.com
search.monstercrawler.com
burlintonfactory.com
yourfindfree.com
www.burlingtoncoatfactiry.com
en.allexperts.com
www.orkut.com
start.shaw.ca
msxml.excite.com
www.haggle.com
aolsearcht7.search.aol.com
www.babtdepot.com
searchexplorer.com
www.babydeot.com
home.myspace.com
search.frisgo.com
www.bulington.com
www.trafficzsearch.com
search.look.com
ms162.mysearch.com
aolsearcht8.search.aol.com
www.google.ca
www.mysearch.com
couponing.about.com
www.optimum.net
www.stlouis.com
www.usatoday.com
search.pdfcreator--toolbar.org
search19.info.com
shopping.aol.com
www.topix.net
webferret.search.com
babydepote.com
yellowpages.mapquest.com
wiki.answers.com
perfectdir.org
element.searchpluswin.com
www.americanjobs.com
business.vermonttoday.com
search.live.com
www.barterdepot.com

That is only a few of the pages I have seen in action with my LocalAdLink ads

Call me I will prove it.

Anyone who calls me and is an advertiser of products or services I will GIVE you a FREE AD. I will make your ad and place it on LocalAdLink for FREE.

Then we can use your ad as proof.

proof is in the putting call me I will show you

Paul Croskrey
209-586-4769

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey wrote:
> HI Larry, highly skeptical about what part?

I am highly skeptical that LocalAdLink generates much traffic at all. I am skeptical about the "partners" it claims to have.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> In my position as Director of Internet Investments I work very closly with LocalAdLink Team leaders. I train every day hundreds of Localadlink reps, many come to me with the same excuses or problem with their ads and I teach them to FIX the problems with the ad.


So you train your MLM salesman. What does that have to do with LocalAdLink driving "millions of visitors a day" to customers Web sites? The evidence is that LocalAdLink has only hundreds of thousands of visitors each month NOT millions each day. That is quite a difference.

How is fixing the ads going to help generate traffic if there are no ads on most of that long impressive list of "partners."

I am also skeptical of your claims of being an "SEO expert" and running "a Large Advertising agency." My skepticism grew after you posted that the "Large Advertising Agency" is actually "A Venture Capital Company." Which is it?

Blogger Larry said...
Paul,

I see the list of sites you claim LocalAdLink customer ads appear on. I do not see the LocalAdLink ads, except on LocalAdLink/Beyond Commerce sites.

Why can you not be transparent?

Why can you not direct us to an ad?

Larry, the system uses Geo Targeting or Zip Code Advertising

Geo targeting is where the ad only shows up in the ZIP Codes advertised.
So lets say you where in New York City and you where reading your email on yahoo or msn even Google you would see impressions or Ads on the side lines.

This is just one place you could see a LocalAdLink ad but we will use this example to describe how LocalAdLink pushed your ad out.
When you reading your email on one of those sites it uses technology to push ads out that are relevant to the email you are reading. In other word in you have the words ?home loan? in your email you will see home loan ads or impressions.

Your request to see an ad just by going out and searching search engines do not work unless you are looking for particular product that is advertised on LocalAdLink with an Ad that was built properly and you are in the ZIP CODE that the business resides. Other wise you will not see it for it uses GEO targeting to push the ad to both non search engine websites as well as search engines.

Sitting at your computer in your zip code if you where to use keywords that an ad has placed in its keyword selection tool and that advertiser business is in your zip code you might see it on search engines.

I assure you that no matter what you think my clients know how it works and are very happy with the results no matter if they cannot find the ads when looking. They still see the results and that is customers responding to the ads.

The best response is when a customer shows up with a coupon with a LocalAdLink logo on it. One of my Clients gets over 200 coupons a month now and told me that for the price they never got such a high ROI with any other advertising medium.

I tell people all the time if you want to know all about it you need to register for my training classes. 8 hours of in-depth educational material all online LIVE with me.

First I prove LocalAdLink works and how it accomplishes the task
Second I teach you how to make ads that work and how to fix an ad that does not
Third I show you how to sell ads, I show you how to be an excellent telemarketer, and I teach what questions to ask.
Fourth I teach you how to build a solid income selling LocalAdLink products.
I teach everything that there is to know about LocalAdLink.

I do this is a goto meeting daily and as you can see from my testimonials that I am the real deal.

Larry if you are in the advertising business you should learn more about how it works and get involved. If you were in my classes you would be selling confidently LocalAdLink within a week.

Call me anytime I will prove it to you.

Paul Croskrey
209-586-4769

Larry, Global Media Capital Fund is the Largest Venture Capital Company in the World that uses Advertising as investments to promote business. We use Advertising as the Investment.
Since we use Advertising as an investment and we run over a Billion Dollars a year in Advertising on our investments like LocalAdLink we are both a very large advertising agency and a Venture Capital Company too. Did you not go to our website at www.globalmediacapitalfund.com or our other website www.globalmediacapitalfund.tv.

I can see why you are skeptical if you do not look, listen and learn you stay that way.

Larry what do you do and what particular expertise do you have that proves you are knowledgeable enough to discuss how LocalAdLink works or doesn?t work?

Larry anyone can call me I am not afraid to show and tell what I have and do.

Paul Croskrey
209-586-4769

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey, AKA Virtual Loan Office wrote:
> Geo targeting is where the ad only shows up in the ZIP Codes advertised. Let's say you where in New York City and you where reading your email on yahoo or msn even Google you would see impressions or Ads on the side lines.

Phil, I know all about geotargeting. This is nothing new.

This is also no excuse why you cannot show us where to see LocalAdLink ads for its customers.

This Google tool allows us to see geo-targeted ads by market
https://adwords.google.com/select/AdTargetingPreviewToolSo please specify search phrases in a specific market where we can see LocalAdLink customer ads.

Show me LocalAdLink ads. On the Web. If you cannot do that, I and others should not believe the claims.

There is no excuse for not being able to show us the ads.

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey, AKA Virtual Loan Office wrote:
> Global Media Capital Fund is the Largest Venture Capital Company in the World that uses Advertising as investments to promote business.

> Since we use Advertising as an investment and we run over a Billion Dollars a year in Advertising on our investments like LocalAdLink we are both a very large advertising agency and a Venture Capital Company too.


Paul, these claims are hard for me to believe. You claim to be a $10 billion VC firm working with mass media and yet there is no chatter about the company.

If Global Media Capital Fund is this large Multi-Billion Dollar VC, then why do financial magazines not discuss you? There is nothing on Global Media Capital Fund on
Entrepreneur Magazine or Forbes.

I Googled your specific name "Global Media Capital Fund" and your Web sites are not #1 and #2 as I would expect someone with a basic knowledge of SEO would accomplish. Yet, you claim to be an "SEO expert." Why can you do no better than #4?

I did read your Web sites. I scratch my head how you can forward value of past unused advertising time.

You show logos of MTV, NBC, ABC, Showtime, and many more big name media. Who can I talk to at those media companies who will fill me in on their participation with Global Media Capital Fund?

Larry, try Burlington Coat Factory in Google, AOL or ASK

A Localadlink Ad #1 on all accounts

you asked you recieved.
I do thank you for calling me that was nice.

Please remember as I told you when you called me this is an ad that is properly built.

No smoke or mirrors just in plain site.

Call me agian when you have time I enjoyed talking to you.

Paul Croskrey

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey, AKA Virtual Loan Office wrote:
> Larry, try Burlington Coat Factory in Google, AOL or ASK

> A Localadlink Ad #1 on all accounts

Paul, I do not see the ads on Google, AOL or ASK.

Could you send a screen shot to info@epowermark.com? I will post it.

Does anyone see a LocalAdLink customer ad? If so, please send a screen shot.

Blogger Jennifer said...
This has been quite an interesting read during lunch! I look forward to a screen shot.

Blogger Larry said...
Here is evidence provided in a LocalAdLink press release that proves LocalAdLink has hundreds of thousands of visitors each month - NOT "millions of visitors a day."

"Monthly site usage in March included ... approximately 500,000 unique visitors."

In other words, LocalAdLink's own PR proves that LocalAdLink is making false claims about the traffic it generates.

This means LocalAdLink is an expensive way to advertise.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
From LAL new 10Q report

We reported a net loss of $ 2,662,588 for the three months ended March 31, 2009 compared to net losses of $2,558,668 reported for the same period in 2008. While reporting a net loss the Company's LocalAdLink division continued to grow its sales force and gross revenues. However, at the end of February with the spike in the volume of weekly credit card revenues generated, certain credit card processing companies without notice to the Company, put a hold on all of the cash being remitted to Beyond Commerce's LocalAdLink subsidiary. This hold was initiated under the rationale of "potential business risk." The Company had less than 0.25% percent in charge-backs and a total of approximately $13,000 in claims over a six month period of time prior to this risk reassessment. With the stoppage of the credit card processing and the processors holding back over $900,000 of funds due to the Company, we inadvertently had 567 checks returned totaling over $250,000 to valued employees, commissioned sales force and vendors.
The actions of the credit card processors severely negatively impacted the Company to achieve its projected first quarter revenues and income. LocalAdLink was offline to selling local businesses advertising for approximately 23 days during the month of March. The negative impact of inadvertently returning 567 checks impacted the Company's credibility with its independent sales force. Due to the problems of not being able to process credit cards and having to return checks, during the last sixty days since the incident, the Company has had to rebuild its credibility with its independent sales representatives so they would reenergize and once again sell ads. At the time of the incident, LocalAdLink was ramping up revenues based on its prior month's revenues at a rate of four and a half million per month. Obviously the sales fell well short of our planned revenues for the month caused by the credit card processors reckless actions.
The Company is currently evaluating any claims it may have against the aforementioned credit card processing companies, as we believe that the damage incurred by the Company from the willful negligence of the processors has caused an undetermined financial loss to Beyond Commerce. Furthermore, the credit card processors' holding of revenues forced us to change processors. This change has resulted in increased processing fees, personal guarantees and a mandate for the Company to reserve 10% of its revenues received daily to mitigate potential risk
We currently do not have sufficient funds on hand to fund our current obligations until we reach our projected break-even level of operations. We do not have any bank credit lines. Accordingly, we will have to obtain additional funding in the near future in order to continue our operations until our revenues are sufficient to fund our operating expenses. Although we have again re-commenced our on-line e-commerce business and now are again generating revenues from that line of our business, and we have recently implemented a new business line in local advertising (LocalAdLink), we do not anticipate that we will generate sufficient cash from operations to fund our working capital needs for at least another three months. Accordingly, we intend to continue to seek additional financing from various sources, including from the sale of debt or equity securities. We have not yet identified, and cannot be sure that we will be able to obtain any additional funding from either of these sources, or that the terms under which we may be able to obtain such funding will be beneficial to us. If we do not obtain sufficient additional funds in the near future, we will have to suspend some of our operations, further scale down our current and proposed future operations or, if those actions are not sufficient, terminate our operations.

Anonymous said...

who is Anonymous said?

I have never heard of this person before.

How do we know if he is full of it or not?

Anyone who will not user thier real name is not important nor is anything they say.

Besides what happened in March is not whats happening today.
Lets talk about today and the future of LocalAdLink.

I know LocalAdLink works, I have 5 checks in my hands to prove it. I also will prove to anyone who will open thier eyes and see what is in front of them.

Not tell me, I do not have time to see a 25 minute video only to be recruited. In that Video show what you are looking for in the form of proof.

If you cannot see past that part of the Video then you cannot be helped. I provided you all with proof it works.

But wait lets listen to Anonymous said..after all that person really knows whatthey are talking about...NOT

Larry if you are going to let people put stuff on your blog at least make them say who they are.

Paul Croskrey

Blogger Larry said...
That is one interesting report that LocalAdLink's corporate parent, Beyond Commerce (BYOC.OB), filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Why would a credit card processing company withhold $900,000? I wonder if it is because too many end user customers called the credit card company to cancel their LocalAdLink charges. There is a huge gap between the traffic generation claims of LocalAdLink and its actual traffic. Non delivery of product promises is grounds to request cancellation of a charge.

The new credit card processor is at www.ip4x.com. This is the sexiest, steamiest financial Web site I have ever reviewed. The processor specializes in "High Risk" credit card charges as experienced in the adult entertainment industry.

Why is LocalAdLink "high risk?"

Blogger Larry said...
Paul,

Anonymous posted an excerpt from Form 10-Q for BEYOND COMMERCE filed with the Securities & Exchange Commission.

Why does LocalAdLink have issues and problems with service providers?

If I was your average Advertiser you know a small business owner, and I was sold a bill of goods that did not work I would demand my money back.

Look at it this way, a ?probie? (a person who has no clue about building ads or websites)
Sells LocalAdLink to an unsuspecting businessman and tells them to build their own ads.
They tell them it?s a self-service product and make claims that will not happen when used as a self service product.

Think about it you sell Internet Marketing services would you ever in your best day tell your clients to make their own marketing material, optimize content, media or websites, pick relevant keyword phrases or choose demographics?.
Of course you would never do that would you? Right!

However so many non internet professionals ?probies? are trying to sell LocalAdLink as a user friendly self service product and expect your average business owner to learn how to make useful search engine optimized content, Pictures Videos and make coupons. Those non professional self service customers will have to make optimized content, to pick keyword phrases and understand search engine marketing to make a Ad work well.

Well it is not as hard as I am making it out to be but your average business owner will not take the time to learn these things. So you see the problem with LocalAdLink is not the product or service for it really does work when sold and used properly, it?s the seller of the product. The ?probie? who thinks it?s a self-service product that?s the problem.

All advertising is sold and as an advertising purchaser and seller myself, I know that it is not a self service business. When does a business owner make their own ads? ?right before they go out of business.

My point is when a LocalAdLink ad or a website to be more precise is sold it does need to be made correctly or it will not perform well and the customer will want to get their money back. When it?s sold as a self service product the chances of a dissatisfied customer increases 100%, do that 10,000 times and you get a problem with service providers.

I teach daily classes to any LocalAdLink buyer or Brand Builder I prove it works then I teach how to make it work for anyone. I can show anyone in less than 4 hours how to make optimized content, video, pictures and coupons, I show how to choose high quality converting keywords and keyword phrases. I also show the little tricks about LocalAdLink that will excel LocalAdLink ads into what I call into the ?WOW? factor.
I then teach another 4 hours of how to sell LocalAdLink the right way. I teach how to get and keep customer satisfaction selling online advertising.

To believe that one could sell self-service websites or ads is nonsense those who do so are the ones who are creating the problems with LocalAdLink.


I say if your going to sell LocalAdLink learn how it works and know it is not a self service product. You will have better results and the company will stop getting bad press..

Paul Croskrey

Blogger Larry said...
Paul,

So the blame for LocalAdLink not generating traffic lies with LocalAdLink customers.

Interesting finger pointing. I do not agree.

Why can I not find any LocalAdLink ads for customers except on sites controlled by Beyond Commerce?

Why does LocalAdLink claim that its advertisers' ads will be seen by "millions of people a day" when LocalAdLink has a fraction of the traffic making that possible?

Why the false traffic claims?

LocalAdLink makes gross exaggerations about the traffic it claims it will generate. That is why I Blogged about LocalAdLink. Those are expensive ads for little if any traffic.

Anonymous MzCindys said...
Hi all,

I've been on board with LAL since Mid February. It's been a nightmare for me since day one with problem after problem and NO support available from the company or my up line.

1) When I built my own ad it was suppose to be free. I was accidently charged $100.00. I could see in my back office that the sale generated a commission of 49.95. Later I could see that according to LAL I had been paid. I had not and have not been paid, 3months later. I have never received anything in the mail from LAL.

2) My first Brand Builder was unable to access her back office (dot com) for nearly two months, which prevented her from putting up her own ad and ads for anyone else, for that length of time.

3) My up line knows zero, nada, ziltch about the art of selling advertising, or about marketing online, search engine optimization, lead capture websites, social networking and anything else relevant to this adventure. She was hell bent on building her team but had no clue what to do with us once she had us signed up. I think this same story is playing out all over the US.
As her frustration mounted she began turning to the bottle for relief and thus became, impossible to deal with.

4) Never once did my ad for my marketing business come up in a google search, nor has that of my one and only real customer.

5) The company has no CSR's available by phone. All problems have to be dealt with via email and it is a long, slow process. I have written no less than a dozen emails for each separate issue, commission, ads not coming up, downline can't access site, etc etc. The original system failed thousands of us so the company came up with a new plan, using the same system of emails through a different site with a better plan.

I started all over, writing emails asking for help with each individual problem. When I went back into the new support site, to check for the answers to my questions, the site informed me that I had no pending questions, which as you can imagine totally infuriated me.

How can a (new) company with many start up problems, have no phone support system in place to help a sales force of 50,000 (mostly inexperienced) sales reps?

How can LAL expect their sales force to succeed when there is no sales/marketing system in place that can be easily replicated by each new leader? Reps are putting up ads without even using a word program or spell checking first. There is no company wide standard and no one proofing ads BEFORE they are posted. Anything goes. Consequently, many ads look completely unprofessional.

What I've shared is only the tip of the iceburg. After just over three months of massive effort, unrelenting determination and extraordinary patience, I've reached the end of my rope with LAL and with MLM's of any kind. I'm going back to a real job for a real publisher for a real paycheck, tomorrow!

Maybe my experience will help others avoid a big hassle with Local Ad Link.

Anonymous Jim said...
I joined Local ad link when first week of 2009. It was good for about 1 month... sold ad's... businesses were happy... and I got paid

2/15/09 the whole thing fell apart for me... found out they did not have an ad network that they were "pushing contextual ad's out to up and running"... they simply lied to me.

they couldn't afford to keep paying google so the search engine results disappeared for over a month.. never recovered from that

from the 58 people I know in the biz... they have NEVER paid the residual commission for an ad. that is one of their main selling points when recuiting people "make a residual income" they continue to say "their working on system". It's been 4 months... fraud

I heard they bounced 597 checks in March, I know they bounced 2, cause they were ours... I still have not been paid...

from what I hear there are several people ready to spear head a class action suite...

doubt this company will make it, they are all over the internet as a fraud, if they had to get 1.7 million from the CEO's son's holding company you know their hurting

this is just based on my experience, my biz ad's, and my team
Personally I gave up even trying to collect the money they owe me

also... 11 rip off reports filed recently... link provided
http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q5=local%20ad%20link&q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&Search=Search


ALSO to the guy on this site who listed all of the "website partners"....

If you do any research at all, you'd know that their claim to "push all the contextual ads to thousands of partnered sites" does NOT work at all, they pay for a few at that is it. The software has NEVER worked. They never accomplished that goal.

ALSO, they have never paid a residual commission on an ad, if you say you have received one, your lying, the company admits, it is still working on that... SO since Oct 2008, it has been falsely advertising "make a residual income" a can not believe the FTC hasn't shut them down

Anonymous Terry said...
My name is Terry Curtin and I have been with LocalAdLink (LAL) since its inception. I do presentations for LAL in front of hundreds of people and I also host countless conference calls. Anyone can go to our website trainings and see for themselves that we have NEVER made the claim that the customer's ad will "be seen by millions of people a day." I am very curious to know where you got that information from. Could an ad be seen by millions in a month? Of course it is possible, but we do not make that claim in any of our trainings or materials that are approved by the company. What we do offer, for a very reasonable and fixed price is a presence on the internet. For that price the customer gets a usable website that includes a Google map, pictures, streaming video and the ability to make their own coupons for customers to print out. That alone, can cost $1000 + to build using your local webmaster and you would also have the associated hosting fees, many of which cost $70 + per month. After all those upfront expenses, they still have to pay for changes they want to make, then the customer still has to pay usually thousands per month to and optimization company to get any views or clicks at all. I have personally sold the LAL product to businesses. Those businesses have full tracking capability and they can cancel at any time since we do not have any contracts to sign. LAL should be a part of a company's campaign to advertise not 100% of it. Still, my customers are very happy with the exposure they have received and are extremely happy with its affordability. Sometimes people looking into our company forget that the customer is getting a complete back office and workstation as well as a limited, but very useful webpage with no upfront cost.

It is my belief and the belief of many others that LAL offers a great value for the money. Our ads do get pushed out to multiple search engines and to thousands of others that use the services of Boomj.com, our social networking site.



It sounds to me like you got your information from someone who was not well informed or misunderstood the information. We do not make the claim that your website will be seen by millions of people a day.

Hope this helps.

I can be reached at terrypcurtin@yahoo.com and would be more than happy to talk to you about what we do and what we don't do. Hopefully you'll be able to develop a much better understanding of our company.

Sincerely,

Terry Curtin

Blogger Larry said...
Terry Curtin wrote:
> Anyone can go to our website trainings and see for themselves that we have NEVER made the claim that the customer's ad will "be seen by millions of people a day." I am very curious to know where you got that information from. Could an ad be seen by millions in a month? Of course it is possible, but we do not make that claim in any of our trainings or materials that are approved by the company.

LocalAdLink marketing materials claim, "It comes to $49, $99 or $199 a month to be seen by millions of people a day."

So now you are saying this is not true?

Why is a LocalAdLink Brand Builder passing out LocalAdLink material that is making false claims?

Why do so many LocalAdLink Brand Builder Web sites make the same claim?

This is from the LocalAdLink Web site --

"With this superior targeting ability, LocalAdLink is capable of adverting to hundreds of millions of people a day, on millions of different pages across the web, sift through all of it to find people more likely to visit and shop with businesses near them."

WOW! Does LocalAdLink really do that? Why does the data show that LocalAdLink has only a tiny fraction of that much coverage? Why the huge exaggerations?

Terry Curtin wrote:
> Our ads do get pushed out to multiple search engines and to thousands of others

Yes, you make the claim. You use Google AdWords Content Network to push LAL ads to sites besides those owned by Beyond Commerce (LocalAdLink, i-Supply and Boomj). LocalAdLink does not fund the Content Network well enough to make the claims that millions of ads are fed every day.

However the traffic to LocalAdLink is a fraction of what is claimed.

Terry Curtin wrote:
> It sounds to me like you got your information from someone who was not well informed or misunderstood the information. We do not make the claim that your website will be seen by millions of people a day.

I guess I made my mistake by using LocalAdLink for getting information about LocalAdLink. Me Bad. I should not trust LocalAdLink or its marketing materials as sources.

It goes on and on.

You take 50,000 people and have them tell 1 person a day in twenty days you got a million poeple who have heard of LocalAdLink. It been 7 months that is why Localadlink ranks well on Alexa and why my clients get so much business from the ads.

Now put that into marketing perspective....Our website has Millions of visitors a day.

Is that a lie or a exageration?

I would say confortably hundreds of thousands visit Localadlink daily

I would also say that my customers get as high as 6000 unique visits per month for only $99.00 that is a good value no matter what anyone says.

Getting 50% commissions doesn't hurt either.

I train daily and I show what LocalAdLink really does not some hyped up bull.

I see some telling a story that is streaching the thruth and they are the ones who are sufferring for they built expectation into thier customers that are unreal. In doing so they lose and thier customer loses too.

It would be the same as your local newpaper company telling you if you place an ad in thier newspaper your hair will grow back and people will give you nice cars.

Get real see how it should work from a expert come to my classes and learn how to sell online advertising and how LocalAdlink should be sold.

Paul Croskrey
www.your-ad-link-guru.com

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey wrote:
> I would say confortably hundreds of thousands visit Localadlink daily.

Sorry, that is not true.

Compete estimates there were 357,777 visitors to LocalAdLink.com in ALL of the MONTH of April 2009.

That means 10,000 visitors each day. With 50,000 LocalAdLink dealers checking ads, that does not leave many people to click on the 14 million businesses listed on LocalAdLink.

Remember, LocalAdLink ads do not link with the advertiser. They link to LocalAdLink. Therefore a LocalAdLink advertiser cannot have more visits than LocalAdLink.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> I would also say that my customers get as high as 6000 unique visits per month for only $99.00 that is a good value no matter what anyone says.

That is truly hard to believe. Can you document that?

A previous post of yours inferred that all traffic to one of your client Web sites is due to LocalAdLink. The only traffic that counts is referred from localadlink.com.

Earlier Paul Croskrey wrote:
> Larry, try Burlington Coat Factory in Google, AOL or ASK
> A Localadlink Ad #1 on all accounts

I have yet to reproduce that claim despite more than a dozen attempts including checking Google geo-targeted ads in major metro areas.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> It would be the same as your local newpaper company telling you if you place an ad in thier newspaper your hair will grow back and people will give you nice cars.

I believe the grossly exaggerated claims by LocalAdLink are in the ballpark of your astounding claims that have no resemblance to the truth.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> Get real see how it should work from a expert come to my classes and learn how to sell online advertising and how LocalAdlink should be sold.

The issue is not teaching Brand Builders how to sell LocalAdLink.

The issue is that those who bought LocalAdLink ads receive little to no traffic for their money.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Paul, I went to your "guru" site...anyway, LAL is a total crock...they admitted in a financial statement released last month that they bounced over $250,000 in checks, they have no money, and they have not invented anything new. Advertising on a directory is nothing new...I love these MLM'ers who jump on the band wagon way too late and then try to act all cool like they discovered something..puullease....then with the GEO targeting crap.....people can advertise for free on GOOGLE Local, Yahoo LOCAL or they can pay on those sites as well....I can't wait for LAL to fold because I am so sick of BS artists like this...and don't say my comments don't count because I am anonymous because knowing my name means nothing and what I have said is still true...

Blogger LocalAdLink Guru said...
Larry Stated ?.The issue is that those who bought LocalAdLink ads receive little to no traffic for their money.


MR. Anonymous who wished to blast without having it known who he is stated???love these MLM'ers who jump on the band wagon way too late and then try to act all cool like they discovered something..puullease....then with the GEO targeting crap.....people can advertise for free on GOOGLE Local, Yahoo LOCAL or they can pay on those sites as well....I can't wait for LAL to fold because I am so sick of BS artists like this.


Sounds like Larry and MR. Anonymous has made a challenge.

This Post was intended to ask the question was ....LocalAdLink - Is this unknown search directory worth advertising on?....


Lets make a challenge here I know Larry and I are professionals in this business and can make websites show up in search engine quit easily at a cost, but what does Mr. Anonymous do. Let?s let him be part of this challenge too.

Here we got an interesting situation lets take a customer of mine or yours or we can get a new one out of the blue.

Larry you take $600.00 and do your best to promote this customer without any black hat techniques or sending the project to Pakistan for we both know how to check a website for this activity. You do it too Mr. Anonymous

I will take $600.00 worth of LocalAdLink Advertising and do the same and let?s do this challenge over a 90 day period so we can see how it works.

Rules for the challenge.

Customer must not have a website presently
Customer must have a product people want to buy
Customer must be a brick and mortar not internet based
Customer must need and want advertising.

We all must provide our service at no cost to the customer.

The challenge is to get as much traffic to the internet presence using white hat techniques in a 90 day period for less than $600.00
This include creating the internet presence and promoting that Website or Advertisement and doing it in house.

All we need is an Advertiser who meets the Rules, an independent person who can mediate the challenge and all of your cooperation.

What I am saying is put up or shut up!

I challenge anyone to beat me and disprove LocalAdLink.

Anyone

Paul Croskrey
www.my-ad-guy.com

Blogger Larry said...
Paul,

I am all for "put up or shut up."

First off, the advertiser needs a Web site. I know LocalAdLink provides a page for advertisers. But without a Web site, we cannot measure results by tracking traffic.

Besides, those without a Web site would not be able to understand what Web marketing is about. They are easily fooled by claims of "millions of visitors a day."

How can Local Ad Link claim advertisers will enjoy "millions of visitors a day" when the traffic is in the hundreds of thousands each month? LocalAdLink traffic is nowhere near what it claims.

There needs to be other criteria for the test.

1. The test Web site cannot be a client of yours or E-Power Marketing's.

2. Google Analytics is to be installed so we can measure traffic. And this needs to be online for two months to establish a baseline.

3. The Web site should target a local market. LocalAdLink is about local marketing.

4. Google Analytics is to measure Goals Conversions so we can assess whether the traffic is real or is being generated by you or someone at LocalAdLink.

Remember you cannot credit all referral traffic to LocalAdLink. Only traffic that comes from LocalAdLink.com. That is because LocalAdLink ads direct links back to LocalAdLink.com, not the advertiser's Web site.

I must note that E-Power Marketing does not practice any Black Hat techniques. We are pure White Hat. And we do this all in-house. No outsourcing at all, and certainly not off-shore.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've hearing about them as well and did a very basic, rudimentary search for a LocalAdLink ad in Google. (First off, anyone can claim the list of partners that LAL does. I do PPC Management and could claim the same but they are not my partners, they are Google's. I can put my client's ads on the same sites the LAL claims).

Using a brochure a representative gave me, they have a screenshot for "Wheels & Tires" as a sample and showing a LocalAdLink ad Google's search results sponsored section. I can show screenshot of the exact same phrase, but what I saw did not have the same claim as LAL.

Regarding choosing zip codes, I am in Houston, I saw 2 ads one for a tire shot in California and one for Houston? So much for geo-targeting.

1. When I refreshed the page, their ad is gone. B/c I clicked on it that probably hit their budget for the day of say $1-$5/day (depending on the package)
2. I refreshed one more time, and another company's LocalAdLink ad showed up in the same spot as the first company. A Houston company.
3. I refreshed again and California Tires and Wheels came back up.
4. One more refresh and neither shows up until a few hours later; then it was only the Houston ad.

The only thing that I am noticing would be cause for concern is that you are sharing your ad spot with other companies using the same key phrase. LocalAdLink has a system to automatically generate these ads. They are rotating your ads with another company's depending on your package and whether there are others wanting the same search phrase. So you may only show up one or three times that day. Once your budget is gone, that's it.

I have screenshots, if you'd like me to email them.

Blogger Larry said...
Will someone representing LocalAdLink address its gross exaggerations of "adverting to hundreds of millions of people a day?" The data shows that the claim is nothing but smoke.

Look at LocalAdLink's traffic numbers at
http://www.localadlinksupportsystems.com/fCMSBackend/imgRoot/final_traffic_mar_2009.pdf

LocalAdLink had only 435,870 visitors in March 2009.

Now take into consideration the tens of thousands of LocalAdLink Brand Builders, Account Executives and other selling it, plus the advertisers who are checking their ads. That leaves miniscule numbers of traffic going to each advertiser.

Check out LocalAdLink traffic stats on KeywordSpy:
http://www.keywordspy.com/overview/domain.aspx?q=localadlink.com

According to KeywordSpy, Local Ad Link targets 55,604 keywords on Google. The $50 and $100/month packages allow for 2 keywords. The $200/month package allows for 3 keywords. Assuming 2.5 keywords per advertiser, does this mean LocalAdLink has about 22,242 advertisers?

If so, that would mean that LocalAdLink has fewer advertisers than the number of Brand Builders promoting Local Ad Link. LocalAdLink's April 9 press release claims 35,000 sales representative.

We do know that multiple Local Ad Link advertisers target the same keyword and their ads are rotated.

On the other hand, many advertisers claim they do not see their ads, so maybe the reason the number is low is because not all Local Ad Link advertisers are supported with Google AdWords.

Local Ad Link's Google AdWords program generates 10,367 clicks each day. Does that mean each advertiser has one visitor every 2 or more days? This assumes that when someone clicks on an ad and goes to Local Ad Link, the visitor hits the advertisers' Local AdLink page. That is not going to happen every time the way landing pages are set up on Local Ad Link. In addition, this does not take into account the Google AdWords advertising that LocalAdLink does selling its own service.

No matter how you analyze the traffic numbers, the traffic is low considering the price advertisers are paying to Local Ad Link. That makes Local Ad Link advertising rather expensive.

Anonymous Christina said...
Another question I'd like asked from LAL reps as well; when doing a search for 'local ad link' or even 'localadlink' why don't their own reps use the service they are selling if it works so well? Why is it in the sponsored ads I am seeing sponsored ads like this:

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(BTW, the last 3 are the exact same site using templates but different people have put their own videos.)

Anonymous localadlink.com said...
I have used local ad link and according to me its really effective.

I signed up as a BB in Feb. and encountered one problem after another. I was charged for my free ads, did not receive commissions, listings never came up in searches, down lines couldn't access back offices to build ads. etc. etc. There was no phone support in place. I sent dozens of emails to support repeatedly. I never got any support and problems were not resolved. I'm out now and thankful my credibility was not completely ruined.

I can call Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Dell and any other internet company I do business with. They all have multiple 800 numbers and hundreds if not thousands of trained customer service reps in place to manage problems/customers and reps. If I send emails they are answered promptly and contain real solutions.

Local Ad Link has no CSR and provides no phone numbers for it's huge sales force. It takes days to get an email response. When it finally comes it's clearly auto generated and generic. "Your request has been elevated to tier 2. We appreciate your patience, blah blah blah"

Well after three months of having every ounce of my patience tested, LAL can kiss my ass!

I wrote to the BBB and will post at Ripoff and then I'm done with it Local FAD Link for good!

Blogger Larry said...
"localadlink.com" wrote:
> I have used local ad link and according to me its really effective.

First off, this poster is not from localadlink.com. The link goes to a get rich quick scheme about cash gifting so you receive envelopes full of cash.

So faux "localadlink.com," does this mean Local Ad Link made you money? More important, did your customers receive any traffic for their money?

These get rich schemes remind me of a Firesign Theater bit from "Don't Crush that Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers"

"Let's talks about your car. It's screaming 'Wash me, please!' Now, if you're a Mr. Common Sense, you won't believe me when I tell you that I've got an envelope that'll clean your car while you're driving it home to work. Well, George, believe me this time, because this one isn't like the Austrian self-sharpening razors. No, friends, no overheating like the tropical fishes. No zizzing and dripping like with the dike."

To anyone considering buying ads on LocalAdLink, keep in mind the motivation of those trying to sell you. That will help you understand why they are so excited about a search directory that you never heard of.

Remember my advise in "Search Marketing Scams to Avoid" ?

"If a salesman wants you to advertise on a search engine that you have never heard of before, don't do it."

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey presented to me in a GoToMeeting his claims that LocalAdLink generates traffic.

He did not make his case, IMHO.

He claimed LocalAdLink generated 5,000 visitors a month to Burlington Coat Factory. He also credited LocalAdLink for all referral traffic to Burlington Coat Factory no matter where the traffic came from. I told him that was not a valid claim to make.

He showed me traffic statistics for a plastics fabrication house who is a LocalAdLink advertiser of his. LocalAdLink did generate 4 visits to the site. However he gave LocalAdLink far more credit by claiming LocalAdLink was responsible for referral traffic from across the Web.

He made the argument that LocalAdLink creates link popularity, and thus search visibility. I checked backlinks for the plastics fabricator. The site is well linked from quality sites like ThomasNet and GlobalSpec. The backlinks Google listed are not due to LocalAdLink. I could not find any backlinks from LocalAdLink listed on Google. With the strong, quality links established elsewhere, this site will enjoy search referral traffic.

I repeatedly asked him why and how LocalAdLink should be credited for generating traffic from all these Web sites. He claimed LocalAdLink created links on its "partner" Web sites. He could not show me those links.

In conclusion, I believe Paul Croskrey is making claims and giving LocalAdLink credit that is not due.

Yes I showed Larry 5000 plus visits to my clients ad all excellent high quality visits for only $99.00.

I dod prove that Localadlink is a viable excellent investment for any business to use.

After all that is 0.0198 cents per click

I still say with Localadlink I can do better with $600.00 in advaetisng then any other source and I did prove that beyond a doubt.

In any case Localadlink is a good most excellent source for both companies with a website and especially ones without.

How can anyone sit back and state after seeing the results of the ad that gets 5000 plus visits a month for $99.00 and say its that it is not a good value?

How can that be. It's like seeing someone walk on water and say its impossible even when ou see it.

I did in fact prove to Larry that Localadlink is a good value and he still see it as a bad program how about that.

I will show anyone else too if they askl and please do so. After all anothers opinion after seeing the fact could be usefull here.

I still challenge anyone to show me better results for $99.00 per month, if you can I will hire you to work on some of my many projects.

Paul Croskrey
www.your-ad-link-guru.com

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey wrote:
> Yes I showed Larry 5000 plus visits to my clients ad all excellent high quality visits for only $99.00.

He gave LocalAdLink credit for every visitor to the Burlington Coat Factory Web site. It is not valid to credit LocalAdLink with all traffic. Croskrey could not show me how LocalAdLink was responsible for traffic generated from sites besides LocalAdLink.com.

The fact is that all links on LocalAdLink ads go to LocalAdLink.com. Therefore LocalAdLink is responsible for only traffic from LocalAdLink.com.

Croskrey's claims that LocalAdLink has greater influence extends the gross exaggerations made by LocalAdLink. Croskrey's argument may work with the ignorant. However those who understand how online marketing works quickly see the false claims made by LocalAdLink and Croskrey.

Let's assume Croskrey is right that LocalAdLink generated 5,000 visitors in one month. As LocalAdLink has less than 500,000 visitors each month, that means LocalAdLink can support no more than 100 advertisers. Meanwhile it claims tens of thousands of advertisers. Does that mean the vast majority of LocalAdLink advertisers receive little or no traffic? As that is what many disappointed LocalAdLink advertisers claim, that may be true.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> After all that is 0.0198 cents per click

The plastics fabricator that Crokrey showed me paid $25.00 for each visit to its LocalAdLink page.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> I still say with Localadlink I can do better with $600.00 in advaetisng then any other source and I did prove that beyond a doubt.

I really can't take you serious, Paul. Your arguments do not hold water. You made circular arguments around false claims. You grossly exaggerated results. You avoided showing me the breakdown in referral traffic from LocalAdLink. The one time you did, the data showed only 4 visitors for the plastics fabricator. No wonder you avoided showing me the data that shows actual traffic from LocalAdLink.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> In any case Localadlink is a good most excellent source for both companies with a website and especially ones without.

Google Maps, Yahoo Local, Yellowpages.com, Superpages.com, and MerchantCircle are all less expensive and will deliver more traffic than LocalAdLink. LocalAdlink is a poor source of traffic.

Those without Web sites are especially vulnerable to buying the false claims made by LocaAdLink and its sales representatives.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> How can anyone sit back and state after seeing the results of the ad that gets 5000 plus visits a month for $99.00 and say its that it is not a good value?

If the $99 ad generated 5,000 visits, then it would be a good value. However you gave LocalAdLink credit where credit was not due.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> I still challenge anyone to show me better results for $99.00 per month, if you can I will hire you to work on some of my many projects.

Paul Croskrey and I will not engage in a challenge discussed in posts last week. We are not able to come to an agreement on terms of the challenge. For example, he rejected using Google Analytics to measure results.

Paul Croskrey, it is time to put up or shut up. Post to this Blog evidence that LocaAdLink should be credited for generating traffic from non-LocalAdLink Web sites besides the Google AdWords Content Network ads that send visitors to LocalAdLink.com.

Blogger Larry said...
LocalAdLink May 2009 traffic

LocalAdLink continues to generate only hundreds of thousands of visitors each month. Rather than the hundreds of millions each day that it falsely claims.

Here is LocalAdLink traffic. Compete estimates Local Ad Link had 409,368 visitors in May, a 14% increase over April.

With LocalAdLink claiming 14 million businesses, that means each business will average one visitor every 34 months.

Here we are, two masters of our own dominions.

Larry, a smart, sophisticated Internet Marketing Master and owner of a most successful E Marketing Business and Paul an incredible Marketing Master, owner of over 150 websites and Co owner of a successful E Marketing business with over 60 employees worldwide.

We both have strong opinions and can ask the right questions.

Larry contends that LocalAdLink is a poor investment for anyone.

I say it is a good investment for anyone.

This blog LocalAdLink Is this unknown search directory worth advertising on?

I say yes he says no.

I challenged anyone to make online cost effective geo targeted advertising with a Map for directions, a video, pictures and coupons to show off the products for only $99.00 per month.

What is cost effective? How about 5000 visits a month for $99.00 for a clothing store or 274 visits to a mortgage company advertisement for less than $150,00.Or a Plastic Manufacture getting 52 visits for $99.00. For the plastic manufacture an average cost of $1.50 per click on Google a savings of $129.00. The Mortgage Company a savings of $3362 and the clothing store a monthly savings of $4,900 that is an annual savings of $58,800 just for the clothing store.
As long as they get these kinds of results my customers can care less about what others may say about LocalAdLink.
II say this is a strong value no matter how others have misrepresented LocalAdLink, this value cannot be ignored.
Even though Larry makes make strong comments none prove LocalAdLink is a poor investment whereas I have proven it is.
Anyone can call me at 209-586-4769, I will show you too and if you would you could provide an opinion for posting here that would be great.

My challenge still stands.

Paul Croskrey
www.your-ad-link-guru.com

Blogger Larry said...
Paul Croskrey wrote:
> Or a Plastic Manufacture getting 52 visits for $99.00. For the plastic manufacture an average cost of $1.50 per click on Google a savings of $129.00.

This is why I do not find Croskrey's claims to be credible. Croskrey showed me the plastics manufacturer's referral data in our GoToMeeting. The plastics manufacturer received FOUR (4) visitors, not 52.

LocalAdLink traffic is poor. If Croskrey's and LocalAdLinks' claims were true, the traffic would be in the hundreds of millions. It is a fraction of what Croskrey and LocalAdLink claim.

Croskrey can make all the false claims he wants. It does not change the fact that LocalAdLink is expensive for its low traffic numbers.

Paul, you never answered why you credit LocalAdLink with ALL Traffic to these sites. Your argument is not valid and your claims are false. You proved that with the plastics manufacturer claims.

Larry, 52 High quality visits to the Localadlink ad for a plastic manufature Ad On LocalAdLink is factual and not misrepresentation.

Of those 52 visits 2 went to the plastic manufactures website. And from what my customer tells me is that he also got two calls for two orders for over $80,000.

However 50 other people looked at the ad.

Larrys piont is well taken.
The facts are LocalAdLink is not a place like Google yet. My meaning is as Larry is pointing out is that if you own a website you might not get much converting traffic from LocalAdLink to your website as in the case with the plastic manufacture.

Yet the Plastic Manufacture got a excelent value.

Localadlink converts traffic from it to a website just like a PPC does without the hassle PPC demands. If you were looking to drive traffic your website, but what about the customer who has no website?

This is what Localadlink was made for. Those who cannot afford traditional online presence is the target of LocalAdLink.

Larry what about those who cannot afford your service or make a website do what we can make it do?

You say I missrepresented by telling of 52 visits you say I got only 2.

When I showed you everything you were too busy to see that yes 52 visits to the LocalAdLink Ad and all you saw was the conversion rate of 2 visits to the plastic manufactures website. What My customers are interested in in is sales not conversions.

Anyone can call me I will show you too and we can have another voice in this blog.

Paul Croskrey
www.my-ad-guy.com

Blogger Larry said...
Paul,

Do you really not see how you contradict yourself?

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> Of those 52 visits 2 went to the plastic manufactures website. And from what my customer tells me is that he also got two calls for two orders for over $80,000.

So LocalAdLink generated TWO Visits. $100 is a lot for two visits.

Oh, excuse me. Paul credited LocalAdLink with generating business from both those visits.

LOL

Paul, your sales messages reinforce my belief that LocalAdLink sales reps misrepresent the product and make fraudulent claims.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> When I showed you everything you were too busy to see that yes 52 visits to the LocalAdLink Ad and all you saw was the conversion rate of 2 visits to the plastic manufactures website.

I watched. When I saw the plastics manufacturer received only two or four visits, you began this circular argument how LocalAdLink has all these partnerships. I wanted to see evidence of these partnerships. You could not show any evidence.

I quit the call because I was tired of you not showing me your customers' traffic. You had the opportunity to show me how much traffic LocalAdLink generates. Instead you blew smoke.

You are as much of a waste of time as LocalAdLink is a waste of money.

You made false claims that all traffic to these sites are due to LocalAdLink. You could not show me the links on the LocalAdLink "partners" sites.

Paul Croskrey wrote:
> but what about the customer who has no website?

Their ignorance makes them prime targets to take advantage of. Feed them fabulous fraudulent claims and get rich selling them ads, but don't worry if the advertiser receives little or no traffic. Is that how LocalAdLink works?


Is Local Ad Link a scam? Is it fraud? I'll let the lawyers decide.

From a search marketing perspective, LocalAdLink is making false claims and charging far too much for the little traffic delivered.

Paul Croskrey, next time you post to this Blog, show evidence that the "partner" sites you credit LocalAdLink have links to LocalAdLink.

Blogger Larry said...
I wrote a new Blog post about my experiences investigating Local Ad Link.

The post is LocalAdLink is for the Greedy to Take from the Gullible

Blogger Kira_la said...
I just want a refund on the almost $700 I invested in LAL as a Brand Builder and for the i-supply store. The store was not available when they said it would be and the "glitches" they had in their advertising packages made it impossible to sell.

I live in a small community and I can't sell ads to my friends and neighbors that don't work and don't deliver what they promise. I never even tried selling the ads because my ethics wouldn't allow me to until the system was worked out. LAL kept telling us that they would fix it, but it never happened. There were times when I couldn't even get in my back office even if I wanted to sell something. They had it set up so poorly that I would have had to ask the merchants for their credit card information to enter manually. Not many people like to give that out.

The $700 I invested may not seem like much to some people, but as a single mom, it makes me sick thinking about how many groceries I could have purchased with that and new school shoes. When I signed up for LAL I made sacrifices to do so because I wanted to improve my kids' lives and better our family financial future. Instead, I made things worse.

There have been times over the last few months that I have not wanted to go on. The stress from having my hopes dashed and the disappointment I feel from letting my children down is more than I can take. I see the big corporate people at LAL talking about how successful it is without actually backing it up. It makes me sick.

Virtual Loan Officer claims that one of his customers had X number of hits to their site. Give us the site and we can look it up for ourselves on Alexa and see if it actually is getting any hits. If it really is the case, which I doubt, then it shouldn't be an issue and he will just give his customer more traffic. No harm in that. Right?

Don't ask me to call you to prove to me that you are telling the truth. I've heard enough lies from LAL sales sharks. I want proof and your word is not reliable.

I just wonder how many other foolish people like myself invested pretty much their last dime in something that sounded so promising. I wonder if they have days where they want to throw it all in as well.

I would like to think that the LAL leaders would feel badly about this, but then that would mean that they actually have a soul. I hope they really enjoy their trips and designer shoes. I hope they are haunted at night by the pain that people have felt by having their last hopes killed. This isn't a time in our nation's history when people can easily pick themselves back up again.

If there is a class action law suit that comes of this, I will happily participate.

Uncle!

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is one of the funniest things I have seen online. A friend told me about LAL and I came across this. I too work with clients to rank their sites using SEO techniques and Paul Croskey hasn't made any decent claims on here at all. Its incredible how much time he has wasted of the moderators and for those reading it.

Stick with the facts. The true monthly visits are in. Period. Its a small company trying to do big things and taking a whole lot of people with it. For goodness sake, save your credibility and for the record I'll be recommending my friend to steer clear of this bunch of dribble.

If online marketing were easy then lots of people would be making huge sales online. DO your research. Online marketing and effective SEO takes time, patience and skill. LAL will not give you any of those.